Philadelphia - New York

[Willis Reed]

To Philly
73 Hakim Warrick - $3,000,000
73 Danilo Gallinari - $3,089,040 - $3,304,560 - $4,190,182 - $5,589,703
67 Bill Walker - $736,420 - $854,389 - $916,100
71 Serge Ibaka - $1,204,200 - $1,288,200 - $2,253,062 - $3,293,976
76 Mike Conley - $3,883,800 - $4,913,007 - $6,480,256
73 Luke Walton - $4,840,000 - $5,260,000 - $5,680,000 - $6,100,000
NYK 2010 1st round pick
NYK 2012 1st round pick

Total: $16,753,460

To New York
89 Andre Iguodala - $12,200,000 - $12,345,250 - $13,351,750 - $14,718,250 - $15,904,750
71 Rodney Carney - $825,497
68 Jason Smith - $1,418,880 - $2,187,913 - $3,135,279
70 Francisco Elson - $1,700,000

Total: $16,144,377

Within 125%


I accept, free agency full speed ahead, this deal is sort of the second part of dumping Eddy Curry's money. I don't really lose the money but I turn it in to something useful and permanent. My PG (Hinrich) and SG (Iggy) and maybe SF (Chandler, would like him to be 6th man though) are done for the future, and there is now a perfectly sized hole for one extremely talented power forward to fill Hopefully an even more talented small forward too, but I am not going to bet on getting both my targets. Either way I have a large amount of money both ivested in permanent peices and free to hit the market with at the end of the season.

[Daryl Morey]

Philly has no roster space.....^^

[Willis Reed]

Sept 13, 2010 22:40:10 GMT Daryl Morey said:

Philly has no roster space.....^^

the reason for the shoutbox announcement

[Chris Webber]

Cant't he just wait till the trade is accepted and then realse players?

[Willis Reed]

Sept 13, 2010 22:56:37 GMT Chris Webber said:

Cant't he just wait till the trade is accepted and then realse players?

He could, but it's his team so whatever, he can go about it however he wants.

[Ian Noble]

No idea why Philly is doing this trade.

[Charles Barkley]

New York tryed to this deal for a long time, kept improving the offer and I finally gave in. The biggest problem here is that in sim leagues quality doesn't equal quality, thus makes this somewhat questionable for me indeed. The biggest part that intrigues me about this deal is the 2010 first round pick, which considering the current state in New York, could end up top 5-10 pick easily. That could of course change over the course of the season, but I don't see him having very much assets to more improve (this season). The second biggest part would be Gallinari, who could really turn into something great as he already made some great strides last year (it was for the Knicks, but still). Also there are some potentially good role players/borderline starters there with Ibaka (impressed everybody in the playoffs), Conley (not a great starting point guard, but for a backup he is great), Warrick (could have a breakthrough with Nash) and Walker. It's a medium risk/high reward kind of deal, depending on how the pick and Gallinari pans out, but I think for the long run, this will improve us.

To be fair, I wasn't planning to trade Iguodala in the first place, but this could ease our rebuild a lot. What I'm trying to is to build up this team Portland/OKC way collecting talent and then going for the bank. Otherwise I think this team would be eternally average (see current Indiana, Philadelphia before Turner-Holiday, that's a horrible route for team to go by). I would've been a borderline playoff team without this trade and with limited improving abilities (stink either way). In best case scenario, my team could look like this one year from now:

C - Cousins (NY pick)
PF - Gallinari
SF - Young
SG - Turner (my pick)
PG - Holiday

with bench of: Ibaka, Speights, Walker, Williams, Conley


Also, as already mentioned this deal wouldn't get through yet, as I don't have enough roster space (I would have 17 players), so I have to make a quick 2-1 deal first (I will probably release Green).

[Ian Noble]

I think you can get a lot more for Iguodala. I mean, I'd give you Calderon and Turkoglu for starters.

I think if you realistically project the value of Warrick, Gallinari and Conley, you don't get = Iguodala, a semi-franchise player calibre guy.

Warrick might flourish in the Suns system, in which case there's little cause for rating boost here. Gallinari might keep filling out and improving. Conley might not suck next season. But I don't forsee that happening to any significant degree, and New York is a good GM, those wont be lottery picks unless he decides to take a completely different direction, you can quote me on that.

[Alex James]

I accept. I understand this from the perspective of both teams, and I actually believe the move is a very solid one for Philly. Iguodala is a very talented player. He is not close to a franchise guy though. He is a 2nd, or likely 3rd option at best because he cannot be counted on offensively. He is weak on the perimeter, and his career high is 18 PPG per 36. Last year he was at 16. He is a tremendous all around player, but he is a complementary player, and as Philly noted, if he is counted on as the franchise, the team will be perpetually competing for the 8 seed.

I believe the return on Iguodala was very respectable as well. I fully expect the NYK to be in the playoffs in 2012, but the 2010 selection has the potential to be solid. Besides that, Danilo Gallinari can be an All Star in the NBA. He was a considerably greater player last year than as a rookie, and to expect, at 22, that will continue, is fair. Serge Ibaka can be a dynamic defensive presence as well, if he isn't by this point. And he is only 20.

I am not expecting Conley to turn into an NBA caliber starting PG, though he may, and he will very likely develop into a solid backup. I am also not expecting a lot of Bill Walker, though he played well in NY, is young, and may very well turn into a solid offensive spark. I believe Warrick is essentially irrelevant, though even he may turn into a solid player in Phoenix.

I see the direction Philly is aiming toward here, and his return on Iguodala was a respectable one, and one consistent with that direction, in acquiring youth as opposed to older players on awful contracts. I understand the move for NYK as well, and as long as he isn't counting on Iguodala to star, and he isn't judging by the extremely talented PF reference, he will be a solid acquisition.

[Charles Barkley]

Sept 14, 2010 15:04:36 GMT Ian Noble said:

I think you can get a lot more for Iguodala. I mean, I'd give you Calderon and Turkoglu for starters.

I think if you realistically project the value of Warrick, Gallinari and Conley, you don't get = Iguodala, a semi-franchise player calibre guy.

Warrick might flourish in the Suns system, in which case there's little cause for rating boost here. Gallinari might keep filling out and improving. Conley might not suck next season. But I don't forsee that happening to any significant degree, and New York is a good GM, those wont be lottery picks unless he decides to take a completely different direction, you can quote me on that.

I don't think that Calderon + Turkoglu would be any better, actually not even close.

Turkoglu is still a slightly better player than Gallinari, but the difference is very small. Gallinari is 9 years younger, has much much better contract and was already better in his 1st real season than Hedo. Both have some issues (Turkoglu's will and Danilo's back). I expect Hedo to bounce back a little, but I'm not sure even if he will be better than Gallinari this upcoming season.

Then it's Calderon. Again he has a bad contract, just like Hedo, Toronto couldn't even get an expiring for him. A chair would do better in defense than him. He's a great shooter and passer, that I admit, but I don't see him a spot in my team, with Jrue coming in. The 2010 NY pick is would be a lot more valuable for me, even if it ends up mid-late lottery. Then there is left a bunch of other guys. Conley is worse point guard, but the difference isn't that big. Ibaka has a lot more value in the league than Calderon as he is considered one of the best young post defenders (I don't just base my things on ratings, that would be just plain out misleading). Warrick and Walker are close to fillers, but they can do some damage as well.


Another big thing that you have to consider is that I want to build a contender. Not just a playoff team, contender, a team that can go all the way, not just a perennial 1st round exit. But there's a big IF. Usually sim leagues don't last very long, but as what I've seen in D5, this one hopefully will last.

Iguodala is not a franchise player and it's not even close. You're way overrating him if you think that he is. Philadelphia tryed to pretend that for 3 years and the result wasn't that pretty. He hasn't even been an All-Star. He's not even a 2nd option. He would be best suited as the 3rd option, prime perimeter defender on a contender. Let's just see where he would place on the last 10 Champions:

2001 - 3rd option behind Kobe and Shaq
2002 - same
2003 - 2nd-3rd option behind Duncan, tied with Parker
2004 - very hard to compare, but 2nd option at best, 5th option at worst
2005 - 2nd-4th option behind Duncan, tied with Parker and Ginobili (I would put him below them, but it's matter of preference)
2006 - 3rd behind Shaq and Wade
2007 - 3rd behind Parker and Duncan
2008 - 4th behind Garnett, Pierce and Allen
2009 - 3rd behind Kobe and Pau
2010 - 3rd behind Kobe and Pau


See the pattern?

Like said, my main goal is to win a ring, nothing less. In order to do so, I need to build a proper team, I don't need a quick fix (just take Charlotte as an example, see what they're doing. They'll be low playoff seed, but nothing more than a 1st round exit and the future isn't any brighter. The only way they could go farther if they'd manage to draft the next MJ with 15-18 pick, but 0 chance of that happening.) Hedo, Calderon, whatever else would be just that and it would just kill the chance to my ultimate goal. We might get a low playoff seed with whether Iguodala/Calderon-Hedo, but in the long run it won't do any good for us anyhow. I hate to see Sixers going on for mediocrity forever. In order to become relevant again, we need to collect assets and picks etc. Also financial flexibility would help a lot. We can take OKC, Portland and even Boston as the recent examples. I'll take Boston. They were pretty much mediocre from 99 till 2006 with the only exception of 2002, when they reached ECF. Then finally, when Pierce started to age, they tryed to tank (didn't work out that well, but in the long run turned out great). They lucked out with some picks (Jefferson, Perkins, Rondo (was found that he can play later tho'), even Delonte West) + the 5th pick in 07. Then they decided to cash in those assets and somehow ended up with Garnett-Pierce-Allen. Now imagine what would've happened if they hadn't tanked, Pierce had played for them in 07 and gotten a 7th-10th seed. That would've been a low lottery pick at best, there wouldn't be no Allen, no Garnett (butterfly effect) and still remain in mediocrity. A rebuild or gunning up would be forced to advance another year. This would be just to make Pierce happy (current Toronto situation is good example). Portland and OKC have slightly different pattern, but still (for both of them, it was basically a clean paper, I don't think either team has a player that has been there for 4+ years).

I'm trying to go on the Portland route, they had 2 high picks in 06 (lousy draft, but they ended up winners there), but the rest of the team wasn't that good. I will have 2 picks (1 will be definitely high, the other is questionable, depending on what NY does) + I will have a lot more decent players already, with drafting a superstar (read Turner or Wall), I think we could become legit again in 2 years and just like with the Hedo scenario we would be a low playoff seed then, but only the team would be tons of younger, a lot more cap flexibility and still a room for improvement.


One thing that I've noticed, we value very different things. I've noticed that you somewhat underestimate the potential on some players (I don't think you were very high on either Batum nor Randolph, time will tell). It is potential, they may never accomplish it (Kwame Brown says hello), but you gotta look for the right players and sometime take chances, especially if you're a rebuilding team. What I usually try to do is not to base things on ratings, but look at their real value (OT, but another player to look out for is DeJuan Blair, he will be a beast, barrying injuries). I usually try to avoid washed up former stars, depending of course who he is, but you're in very different status. You're a contender by default, if I were in you're position, of course Hedo and Calderon could become very useful (see why Lakers tryed to get Brand), but just look at your rotation, they're the 6th and 7th man on a real contender, while they would be 1st-2nd option here. It wouldn't just make any sense to acquire them here.


I have a plan for the future, but it will depend a lot on how long the league will last.

Sorry for the long post, I got carried away little. There was one other thing that I wanted to say, but forgot about, maybe it'll come back later.

[Chris Webber]

*starts a slow clap*

[Josh Barber]

Personally, I think NYK easily wins this trade. AI might not be a franchise player, but that doesn't mean he isn't good. I think people have a tendency to overrated young players a lot, which is why I have always traded my picks away in leagues while they are worth something. Let's be honest- none of the guys that Philly is getting are ever going to be as good as Iguoudala. This move might make Philadelphia the worse team in the league, but I guess its not my place to reject his plan... especially when he writes so much about it lol


I'll accept

[Charles Barkley]

Sept 14, 2010 19:37:04 GMT Blake Bowman said:

New York/New Jersey *Clap* *Clap* Clap* Those GM's should be in the real NBA... Even if you get a high pick, Andre is better than Turner, better than Cousins, ewwy Philly, but then again I have NO ground to talk...

Iguodala better than Turner? lol

(OKC managed to delete that post quickly).

[Blake Bowman]

Absolutely, he hasn't proven anything, he's getting WAY overrated, plus why would you ruin your team, and say what you want about me, in this league I just feel like trading :0 check out this roster I have:

92 | Tim Duncan
83 | Devin Harris
83 | Shaquille O'Neal
82 | Allen Iverson
77 | Al Thornton
77 | Chris Duhon
73 | Kurt Thomas
72 | Terrence Williams
72 | Damien Wilkins
72 | DeShawn Stevenson
70 | Ike Diogu
69 | Adam Morrison
68 | Matt Carroll
64 | Danny Green

All I did was trade KG- Davis for Timmy D and Harris, my team is on a 5 game win streak I believe. Not gonna say what league, cause well, don't wanna get my account Deleted. But it is a Sim League like this one.

;D Cya

[Blake Bowman]

And I deleted it cause I decided my Opinion wasn't needed